O Consolador:
When did you
have your first
contact with
Spiritism?
I had the urge
to be born in a
spiritist home,
in Rio Grande do
Sul-RS, Brazil.
I learned with
my parents to
love Jesus
Christ and his
message, as well
as to respect
Allan Kardec’s
way of thinking.
My mother is a
medium and was
very involved
with Spiritist
Education for
Children and
social charity.
My father, who
is now
disincarnated,
was very
involved with
duties related
to the study and
disclosure of
spiritist
concepts. I went
to spiritist
education for
children and
youth with my
brothers when I
was younger.
Since I was a
teenager, I got
involved with
the Spiritist
Philosophy
through the
study of
spiritist books
and practice
within the
spiritist
centre.
O Consolador:
What have you
got involved
with in the
spiritist
centre?
I have started
as a Spiritist
Teacher for
Children and
Youth. I then
worked as
managing this
department at
the spiritist
centre
Sociedade
Espírita
Kardecista.
I have also
worked with
mediumship in
different
centres. I was
the President of
Comunhão
Espírita Mansão
da Paz and
co-founder and
Vice-President
of the spiritist
centre Casa
Espírita Bezerra
de Menezes.
I am a member of
the IETRD (Instituto
Espírita
Terceira
Revelação Divina,
which is based
in south of
Porto Alegre)
just now, in
which I work as
a Secretary. I
also help
disclosing
Spiritism
through speeches
and teaching
activities, as
well through
healing courses.
I am very
thankful to my
colleagues from
this institution
who have
welcomed my wife
and me into this
place. I also am
coordinating the
Systematic
Studies of the
Spiritist
Doctrine
Department at
the Spiritist
Federation of
Rio Grande do
Sul (FERGS).
O Consolador:
What are the
titles of your
books?
“Educação para a
vida”
(Education for
life) and
“Saberes de
Espiritualidade
e Paz”
(Wisdoms of
Spirituality and
Peace). I
have also been
working on
another book
just now. They
can both be
purchased at the
bookshop
Francisco
Spinelli, Rio
Grande do Sul.
O Consolador:
Have you got
articles
published?
Yes, I have. I
decided to write
a few and these
can be found at:
Diálogo
Espírita e
Revista
Reencarnação –
FERGS;
International
Spiritism
magazine;
Seara Espírita;
Magazine O
Consolador,
site
Espiritualidade
e Sociedade;
Panorama
Espírita; Terra
Espiritual,
etc. I keep a
blog with the
main purpose to
disclose the
Spiritist
Doctrine, and
promote its
study. I would
like to invite
you all to have
a look at it:
www.estudandokardec.blogspot.com.
O Consolador:
How did you
start as a
spiritist
lecturer? Which
themes do you
prefer
approaching?
I have started
giving lectures
around May 1995.
As time went
by, I started to
get invitations
to speak at
different
cities. I have
had the pleasure
to speak
publicly at
several places,
such as Book
Fairs, Cultural
Houses/places,
theatres,
Schools,
spiritist
centres and many
other places. I
have had the
option to speak
about many
themes, but we
normally focus
on Spiritist
Philosophy. For
spiritist
workers, I focus
on the ‘Study of
the Spiritist
Doctrine’, ‘What
is Spiritism?’,
‘A Study on
Spiritual
Fluids’,
‘Strengthening
Relationships
within the
spiritist
centres’ and
‘Mediunship
according to
Kardec’. I
always ask what
our colleagues
would like us to
speak about in
advance. I am
extremely happy
to see the
increase of
enthusiasts who
are getting to
know the
Spiritist
Doctrine.
Nothing makes me
happier than
seeing Kardec’s
texts being
disclosed to
such a varied
audience.
O Consolador:
What drives you
to talk about
Kardec and the
Spiritist
Review?
Once I got as
birthday present
the Spiritist
Review magazine
from 1858, but I
didn’t pay much
attention to it.
It was only in
2007 that I
started to read
this work daily,
through a
publication
launched by FEB
(Brazilian
Spiritist
Federation). I
fell in love
with this
magazine due to
the depth of
content
available in the
texts written by
Allan Kardec. He
argued about
issues regarding
moral values,
spiritist
manifestations
and Philosophy.
I would say this
is one of the
fundamental
pieces of the
Spiritist
Doctrine. We
need to get to
know it, since
it shows how
genius Allan
Kardec really
was and it
allows us to get
know Spiritism
deeply. This is
one of many
reasons why I
always take data
from the
Spiritist Review
into my lectures
and share it
with other
colleagues.
O Consolador: We
have noticed we
can see more and
more young
people at the
spiritist
centres. How can
the spiritist
leaders
integrate them
into the
centres’
activities?
It’s wonderful
to see young
people at the
centres. The
Codifier argued
in 1862 the need
to open
spiritist
meeting for the
younger
generation. The
spiritist leader
should welcome
youth to the
centre and
encourage them
to there, but
always bearing
in mind the
institutions’
norms. It’s the
leaders’ duty to
delegate tasks
in accordance
with the level
of conscience
and
responsibility
of the worker.
This is what
Jesus would do.
Let’s remind
ourselves that
Kardec affirmed
the
understanding of
Spiritism is
fundamental for
the expansion of
moral sense and
consciousness,
which does not
depend on the
number of years
the spirit, has
already been
incarnated in
earth.
O Consolador:
What is the
importance of
having study
groups at the
spiritist
centres?
We all need to
become more
aware of the
spiritual world
which is why
study groups are
of high
importance. The
spiritist
thinking
acquired through
reading Kardec
and group
discussions is
fundamental in
the learning
process. The
establishment of
a conscious
spiritual
progression,
through the
Spiritist
Philosophy, is
needed. The
Systematic Study
of the Spiritist
Doctrine helps
to know the
Doctrine in
depth. It also
contributes to
the moral
education of all
members of the
group, promoting
their own inner
reformation.
O Consolador:
How has been the
experience to
coordinate the
Systematic Study
of the Spiritist
Doctrine
Department at
the Spiritist
Federation of
Rio Grande do
Sul (FERGS)?
It’s been very
enriching. There
are existing
challenges, but
with
perseverance,
communication,
respect of other
people’s
opinion, we
overcome these
issues. This is
quite demanding,
since it
required the
acceptance the
other person as
they are, with
their own
opinion. We can
learn to work as
a team, which
has been very
enriching in Rio
Grande do Sul.
It also provides
a dynamic
relationship for
the good cause,
which also
motivates the
team at the
Systematic Study
of the Spiritist
Doctrine
Department to
keep working
together.
O Consolador:
How do you
evaluate the
Systematic Study
of the Spiritist
Doctrine (ESDE)
at the spiritist
centres?
We notice we
have at the
centres a number
of responsible
and compromised
colleagues with
a permanent
campaign pro the
Systematic Study
of the Spiritist
Doctrine. It is
therefore
important to
remember the
qualification
required for
someone to
coordinate these
studies as this
is a very
serious task. We
need to
understand the
need to apply
the study
programmes into
our lives and
put them into
practice.
O Consolador:
How is the
disclosure of
Spiritism going
globally?
Spiritism is
going around, as
Allan Kardec
said one day.
There are many
people who are
working
constantly to
divulge it in
Brazil and in
the rest of the
world.
Therefore, the
increase in its
disclosure
requires
quality, which
can’t be
measured by
numbers. It
should be
measured by our
loyalty to the
Spiritist
thinking. We
should pay
attention not to
transform it on
a Spiritist
science focused
on in concluded
studies or
researches. We
should also
avoid
discussions
around religious
beliefs, since
we shall
remember Jesus
said ‘Each one
will receive his
own reward
according to his
own labour.’ I
have been
reflecting
around my own
duty for the
Doctrine. I have
been worried
about what
others are doing
with Spiritism.
I feel the need
to raise this
question with
the reader of
such a high
profile magazine
as O
Consolador:
what are our
responsibilities
in terms of
Philosophical
coherence
relating to
Spiritism? How
is that
affecting the
process of its
disclosure?
O Consolador:
There is a huge
interest in
general
regarding
Spiritism. What
should the
Coordinator of
the spiritist
centre be doing
in order to
welcome those
who are arriving
at their
institutions?
The spiritist
centre should
welcome those
who come to it
looking for the
light of
Spiritism. The
leader should
also make
efforts to
humanise the
relationships of
those who are
involved on it.
The institution
is not only made
of the building,
but of people.
Its spiritual
assistance has
been defined by
Kardec at The
Mediums' Book. I
believe it’s
important to
remember the
programme
proposed by
Saint Louis at
the Spiritist
Society of
Paris, which has
been described
at the Spiritist
Review in
December 1860:
understanding
and love. This
means let us
understand
everything
regarding the
Spiritist
Doctrine and,
among spiritists,
let us embrace
Christian love
and
reciprocity.
O Consolador:
How do you see
the challenges
faced by society
regarding the
apparent lost of
spiritual values
for the search
of material
security?
We are living
days in which
most of our
fellow creatures
go to churches
and other
religious
institutions
seaching for a
quick fix. There
are rare
exceptions, but
most of us look
for imediate
satisfaction,
based on the
materialistic
view that
surrounds us all.
These
individuals,
even though
connected to
some sort of
religion, are
still following
this world of
fantasy that has
been around for
centuries.
Spiritism is
providing us
with hopes for
new times to
come. Inner
reformation
through the
light of
Spiritism
follows Jesus’s
teachings. We,
spiritists,
should present
an ethical
conduct in
accordance with
the moral values
we have embraced.
Our contribution,
for little as it
seems to be, is
able to change
the reality that
surrounds is. In
a world that is
so needy for
Jesus and his
lessons like
ours, the change
will come
through the
application of
his teachings on
a daily basis.
O Consolador:
As a Teacher,
how do you
evaluate the
contribution the
spiritist
doctrine gives
to the world?
As a Teacher, I
can relate to
its educational
potential, which
can transform
those who search
for spirituality.
Spiritism is
life in our
lifes, and
invites us to be
aware of our
individual moral
progresson. It
motivates us to
get to know
ourselves and
learn to
overcome
inferior desires
our soul is
still searching
for. It’s
through the
moral education
proposed by
Allan Kardec
that we will
find ways to
overcome
selfishness, and
change our
conducts in
public and
privacy. The
spiritist family
should establish
educational
practices that
will help
individuals to
heal from
selfishness. We
need to remember,
as Allan Kardec
stated, parents
are the first
“doctors of the
soulss” for
those they now
call to be their
sons. This is a
sublime mission
that is related
to address them
to God. It is
related to the
need to help
these spirits to
achieve
spiritual
success at the
present
reincarnation.
O Consolador:
How important is
it for spiritist
workers to take
part of social
assistance
activities?
It is an unique
experience to
put in practice
the concepts
studied. It
leads us to
exercise
fraternity with
those involved.
We need to make
a pact with
ourselves to
work on a
Christian
attitude to
solidarity.
Besides that
social projects,
spiritists or
not, are great
opportunities
for us to attend
Jesus’
invitation to be
The Salt of the
Earth. He wanted
us to do work
spreading
goodness around,
expanding
justice and
pease in the
world, which is
what he always
aimed for. In
summary, to help
the human
regeneration
process, which
is what
Spiritism is
destined to
collaborate
with.
O Consolador:
What has your
experience as a
spiritist worker
helped you to
see?
My main
experience
involved
interacting with
people with
different points
of view, and
realising we all
have great
antecessors who
came before us
and left a
beautiful path
ahead. Some are
anonymous in our
field, but have
managed to
invite us to
serve and follow
Jesus. I have
also learned,
due to the
responsability I
have assumed, I
need to study at
all times. I
feel the need to
become more and
more familiar
with Allan
Kardec’s
thinking.
Bezerra de
Menezes said
through Chico
Xavier we should
all live Kardec
at different
times so that we
can understand
better and
profoundly the
Master in us all.
O Consolador:
Can you please
give us your
final words?
I would like to
thank the online
magazine O
Consolador
for the
opportunity to
share
experiences and
philosophical
perspectives of
Spiritism. I ask
our dear Master
and Friend Jesus
to help us all
not to forget
the work we have
compromised to
do. |